xaanix · Jul 05, 2005, 05:28 AM // 05:28

Think you've got the wrong guild tag there buddy. I'm the leader of Nu, and none of our members are banned or have said anything about sB. Try again.

Sheep · Jul 05, 2005, 05:37 AM // 05:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by austinp

Believe it or not sissy boy is one of the few high rank guild that dint cheat their way to the top. We know how it works, we know who does it, we know arena knows, and we know that punishing this cheat will be the end of about 50% of the top 20 guilds.

Are you serious? I really can't believe what I'm reading here.

sB is one of the few "top" guilds that abused the HELL out of the Vengeance bug to gain ~80 wins.

If anyone should be banned it's you, there's no exploit behind the guild lord gank, everything is working as intended.

Experiment_Jon · Jul 05, 2005, 08:14 AM // 08:14

LOL...someone's gotta tell my guild about these bugs. But 80 wins?!?!? Heck, we have 1 loss, and that is sucking some massive boto for my guild. =/

Kriegar · Jul 05, 2005, 10:50 AM // 10:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sangui

Man...we got 4 losses in GvG yesterday agaisnt exploiters, and one is an alpha guild that is suposed to report them and no abuse them, is that one that was playing for 4 years. Arena net has to reconsider their alpha guilds seriously. You can't understand what it feels when you are beating them and they start using exploits and there you go, you loose all the points you win playing right

Hrm... every one of your losses is due to your opponent's "exploiting" eh?
Suuuuuuuure.

You probably weren't even in the the guild then Sangui, but sB is the ONLY top 20 guild who abused the hell out of Vengeance to climb the ladder.

Life is a Bug · Jul 05, 2005, 12:09 PM // 12:09

I guess u guys know everything. Nice to see that you lost 80 times to us due to vengeance. Yeah we did use it. Probably wasnt the right thing, I admit - yes i am a grown up and can admit mistakes. But if you know us sooooo well, you would be aware that we used vengeance before it was bug in combination with Divine Intervention, so its not that it was a huuuge advantage... but still ur right. We shouldnt have used it... but 80 wins??? come on. We probably used it in 10-15 gvgs and 20% of them were losses anyway.
Wake up kid.

And if u had seen what Warmachine did to us... You cant compare it to teh vengeance stuff lol. It was really nice, best Exploit i have seen so far in a gvg

Mormegil · Jul 05, 2005, 12:47 PM // 12:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Life is a Bug

And if u had seen what Warmachine did to us... You cant compare it to teh vengeance stuff lol. It was really nice, best Exploit i have seen so far in a gvg

Then stop being mysterious, describe what this exploit was, otherwise all your statements fall down along with your credibility.

Frankly, 80 wins seem too much for me as well. Besides, it is evident sB did just what many other guilds did. We're talking about the edge of the competition, I seriously doubt the top 10 ladder is "exploits-free" anyway.

smgzor · Jul 05, 2005, 01:16 PM // 13:16

I don't know if the exploit was intentional or not, but during one GvG vs War they had the guild theif somehow stuck under ground and we could not kill him, because of this they had people constantly in our base running to pull the other lever and such. Just like 3 warriors running in and out to mess with us, and there was nothign we could do about it because the door was constantly open. I was in the guild during the vengeance thing, and i can say that pretty much every guild we played was using vengeance was well. It was definitely not 80 wins using it. probably about 10-15 as someone else said. That was not during a period of much GvG for us, and it was only bugged for about a week. We probably only used it for about 4 days, not a big deal. I'd like to say that we got 80 wins in that amount of time but it simply didn't happen. The only reason we were using that bug is because literally evryone was using it, so we needed to level the playing field. Of course, we don't live by that rule anymore and we are trying to play as fair as we possibly can by not using any exploits that we know of. We had matches that lasted over 30 minutes just because both teams were using veng, and i can say that most of sB was glad when they fixed it. I know i was, because newbie teams that should have dropped much faster took a lot longer to kill and such(although it was nice when holding the hall to have 2 teams fighting using it and nobody win to get across the bridge)

Our guild was new then and since we have changed principles and straightened up to try to be as honorable as we can. Of course we are human so we do make mistakes and let things slip at times. Even if we did exploit veng to get 80 wins, that still leaves 70 more non vengeance wins to keep ourselves at the top of the ladder, which proves that we have the skill to play without exploiting.

The thing about some top korean guilds is they will fight you straight up, and then when they know they are losing they come out with some crazy strategies that are very good at confusing your team and such. It's just sad when one elementalist and 1 mesmer can drop your guild lord about just as fast as your whole team can kill the others. Normally the NPCs would have enough time to kill 2 people in your base, but due to exploits they can kill him much faster. The reason I don't want to say all of the exploits is because i don't really want the word to get out and have 90% of guilds using them in their guild battles. Why would we just make it up? There is no point. I can't belive anyone would say that we "abused the hell out of vengeance" because we seriously only used it in about 10 matches. Please get your facts straight before you start saying stuff about our guild. Every day i hear so many false things about our guild and i'm not really sure why so many people are against us. Anyway I try not to hold any grudges, and most of the time i try to just stay positivev and ignore the people who talk, but i admit some stuff does slip out. Nothing extremely harsh. I have no idea where this post is going anymore so i'm just going to post and forget about it

I hope i explained some things.

austinp · Jul 05, 2005, 03:26 PM // 15:26

however there are some honest guilds on the top too. SNa who kick our asses big time 4 days ago, it was nice to losse to soemoen without cheating.. Positive 0 who knows the cheats too, but dont use them, even if they lose. Now you got to give credic to any guild that is on top that dont cheat, because they constantly playing guilds that are cheating (War machine, zpgz) between many others and still maintain their rank.

Snipe Kan · Jul 05, 2005, 03:34 PM // 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by xaanix

Think you've got the wrong guild tag there buddy. I'm the leader of Nu, and none of our members are banned or have said anything about sB. Try again.

yah there could be more then 1 Nu clan, i know there is atleast 4 SiN clans lol

Scaphism · Jul 05, 2005, 03:51 PM // 15:51

This thread gets one warning:
The forums are not your place to "call out" other guilds. They are not here so you can tarnish another guild's reputation without proof.

If you know of any exploits that people are using, report it to Arena Net. Guru is a fan community forum, and we're happy that ANet frequents our site, but we are not an official channel to report cheating.
Forums are a good place to discuss game issues with fellow players, and I encourage you all to discuss to your hearts content here.

Baseless accusations, however, will be deleted without warning.

smgzor · Jul 05, 2005, 05:42 PM // 17:42

Well, i'm just defending my own guild. I don't want to call out other guilds that's why we are trying not to name the names of the other guilds using any exploits because most of those guilds i don't even talk to so i don't even know what their mindset is. Koreans have a different mindset than Americans, and one korean told me that most koreans don't have the concept of exploit and they think it's ok if it is in the game.

Marticus · Jul 05, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by smgzor

Koreans have a different mindset than Americans, and one korean told me that most koreans don't have the concept of exploit and they think it's ok if it is in the game.

>_< ... someone needs to teach them what exploit is and how it is wrong, not me though, because i get too angry when i'm trying to teach people...

Kriegar · Jul 05, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marticus

>_< ... someone needs to teach them what exploit is and how it is wrong, not me though, because i get too angry when i'm trying to teach people...

I have NEVER seen War Machine exploit, and I've played them many times, in retail and BWE's. If their thief was bugged under the ground, I hardly believe they did it on purpose.

Good job coming clean about the Vengeance, as until now all I've heard is members saying it didn't happen or just not responding to it.

Scaphism · Jul 05, 2005, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by smgzor

I don't want to call out other guilds

I'm happy that's your first instinct.

The warning is directed at everyone though, not sissy boys in particular so don't mistake it for a personal attack.

You can't come into my house (Guru), point a finger at someone else, and call them a cheater. If you do, we'll delete your post and possibly ban you, depending on what you've done in the past.

We're not here to muckrake. If you have proof that someone has cheated, report it to Arena Net. If you want to start a topic here discussing cheating, please feel free. Naming names is where I draw the line, because this is frankly the wrong forum. On top of that, most people aren't able to defend themselves, so you're damaging their reputations and they're left with little they can do to fix the damage.

If you see someone calling out other people, guilds, or if you're the subject of the accusation, report the post or PM myself or another mod. We'll take it down. Don't add to the work by responding to the thread.

::wipes his hands::
Now that's out of the way, so get back to discussing what you're discussing.

Ascension · Jul 05, 2005, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Well, Koreans make me think of SC - which leads to my 4th posting about it today:

It's very true that Korean's view exploits as part of the game. It's absolutely fine to occupy the greyzone of game mechanics, as it breeds the greatest creative ideas. For example, a high level TvP match. Both sides use build blocks, both sides will take will adapt the fact gathers get AI priority. After building/when mining they can pass through units. This can be adapted to get through a block. Whether building a pylon the coasting through the buildings or using the annimation after a Supply Depot or a vulture. It's things like that, they were intended but they're fair. Where I draw the line is if you plan ahead for this, and use it solely to win. So using one specific bug and getting 20 wins relying solely on it, that's cheating. Doing something just to please the crowd or out of the blue = great player pushing the limits.

Examples:

http://www.sclegacy.com/features/pimpestplays_2004.php #10 and #2

There's also a pylon push somewhere there, couldn't find it quickly.

I know they aren't GW-specific, but comparing GW pvp to SC means GW pvp is VERY deep. So in the end it's all good

Sir Aurik · Jul 06, 2005, 12:57 AM // 00:57

why dont everyone just play the game?? This isnt real life and its not this serious, sissy boys just keep donig what ur doing, they addmitted their wrongs and its over..... everyone just play the game and sissy boys keep the favor for americans....

Ascension · Jul 06, 2005, 01:04 AM // 01:04

I second that. I always get a laugh at seeing Sissy Boys spammed accross the screen then everyone cheering for FoW!

Itbegins · Jul 06, 2005, 01:33 AM // 01:33

the guild thief under ground is not an exploit it is a bug ......just like how the mage henchmen used to run off after respawn so does the guild thief but she runs through walls undeground in the air all sorts of stuff ive seen.

Jul 05, 2005, 05:28 AM // 05:28	#41
xaanix Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Woodbridge NJ Guild: [Nu] Nuclear Launch Detected Profession: W/E	Think you've got the wrong guild tag there buddy. I'm the leader of Nu, and none of our members are banned or have said anything about sB. Try again.

Jul 05, 2005, 08:14 AM // 08:14	#43
Experiment_Jon Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Band Geeks Profession: W/Mo	LOL...someone's gotta tell my guild about these bugs. But 80 wins?!?!? Heck, we have 1 loss, and that is sucking some massive boto for my guild. =/

Jul 05, 2005, 12:09 PM // 12:09	#45
Life is a Bug Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Sissy Boys Profession: Mo/E	I guess u guys know everything. Nice to see that you lost 80 times to us due to vengeance. Yeah we did use it. Probably wasnt the right thing, I admit - yes i am a grown up and can admit mistakes. But if you know us sooooo well, you would be aware that we used vengeance before it was bug in combination with Divine Intervention, so its not that it was a huuuge advantage... but still ur right. We shouldnt have used it... but 80 wins??? come on. We probably used it in 10-15 gvgs and 20% of them were losses anyway. Wake up kid. And if u had seen what Warmachine did to us... You cant compare it to teh vengeance stuff lol. It was really nice, best Exploit i have seen so far in a gvg

Jul 05, 2005, 01:16 PM // 13:16	#47
smgzor Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Guild: One Hitter Quitters Profession: Rt/	I don't know if the exploit was intentional or not, but during one GvG vs War they had the guild theif somehow stuck under ground and we could not kill him, because of this they had people constantly in our base running to pull the other lever and such. Just like 3 warriors running in and out to mess with us, and there was nothign we could do about it because the door was constantly open. I was in the guild during the vengeance thing, and i can say that pretty much every guild we played was using vengeance was well. It was definitely not 80 wins using it. probably about 10-15 as someone else said. That was not during a period of much GvG for us, and it was only bugged for about a week. We probably only used it for about 4 days, not a big deal. I'd like to say that we got 80 wins in that amount of time but it simply didn't happen. The only reason we were using that bug is because literally evryone was using it, so we needed to level the playing field. Of course, we don't live by that rule anymore and we are trying to play as fair as we possibly can by not using any exploits that we know of. We had matches that lasted over 30 minutes just because both teams were using veng, and i can say that most of sB was glad when they fixed it. I know i was, because newbie teams that should have dropped much faster took a lot longer to kill and such(although it was nice when holding the hall to have 2 teams fighting using it and nobody win to get across the bridge) Our guild was new then and since we have changed principles and straightened up to try to be as honorable as we can. Of course we are human so we do make mistakes and let things slip at times. Even if we did exploit veng to get 80 wins, that still leaves 70 more non vengeance wins to keep ourselves at the top of the ladder, which proves that we have the skill to play without exploiting. The thing about some top korean guilds is they will fight you straight up, and then when they know they are losing they come out with some crazy strategies that are very good at confusing your team and such. It's just sad when one elementalist and 1 mesmer can drop your guild lord about just as fast as your whole team can kill the others. Normally the NPCs would have enough time to kill 2 people in your base, but due to exploits they can kill him much faster. The reason I don't want to say all of the exploits is because i don't really want the word to get out and have 90% of guilds using them in their guild battles. Why would we just make it up? There is no point. I can't belive anyone would say that we "abused the hell out of vengeance" because we seriously only used it in about 10 matches. Please get your facts straight before you start saying stuff about our guild. Every day i hear so many false things about our guild and i'm not really sure why so many people are against us. Anyway I try not to hold any grudges, and most of the time i try to just stay positivev and ignore the people who talk, but i admit some stuff does slip out. Nothing extremely harsh. I have no idea where this post is going anymore so i'm just going to post and forget about it I hope i explained some things.

Jul 05, 2005, 03:26 PM // 15:26	#48
austinp Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: sissy boys	however there are some honest guilds on the top too. SNa who kick our asses big time 4 days ago, it was nice to losse to soemoen without cheating.. Positive 0 who knows the cheats too, but dont use them, even if they lose. Now you got to give credic to any guild that is on top that dont cheat, because they constantly playing guilds that are cheating (War machine, zpgz) between many others and still maintain their rank.

Jul 05, 2005, 05:42 PM // 17:42	#51
smgzor Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Guild: One Hitter Quitters Profession: Rt/	Well, i'm just defending my own guild. I don't want to call out other guilds that's why we are trying not to name the names of the other guilds using any exploits because most of those guilds i don't even talk to so i don't even know what their mindset is. Koreans have a different mindset than Americans, and one korean told me that most koreans don't have the concept of exploit and they think it's ok if it is in the game.

Jul 05, 2005, 09:52 PM // 21:52	#55
Ascension Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]	Well, Koreans make me think of SC - which leads to my 4th posting about it today: It's very true that Korean's view exploits as part of the game. It's absolutely fine to occupy the greyzone of game mechanics, as it breeds the greatest creative ideas. For example, a high level TvP match. Both sides use build blocks, both sides will take will adapt the fact gathers get AI priority. After building/when mining they can pass through units. This can be adapted to get through a block. Whether building a pylon the coasting through the buildings or using the annimation after a Supply Depot or a vulture. It's things like that, they were intended but they're fair. Where I draw the line is if you plan ahead for this, and use it solely to win. So using one specific bug and getting 20 wins relying solely on it, that's cheating. Doing something just to please the crowd or out of the blue = great player pushing the limits. Examples: http://www.sclegacy.com/features/pimpestplays_2004.php #10 and #2 There's also a pylon push somewhere there, couldn't find it quickly. I know they aren't GW-specific, but comparing GW pvp to SC means GW pvp is VERY deep. So in the end it's all good

Jul 06, 2005, 12:57 AM // 00:57	#56
Sir Aurik Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005	why dont everyone just play the game?? This isnt real life and its not this serious, sissy boys just keep donig what ur doing, they addmitted their wrongs and its over..... everyone just play the game and sissy boys keep the favor for americans....

Jul 06, 2005, 01:04 AM // 01:04	#57
Ascension Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]	I second that. I always get a laugh at seeing Sissy Boys spammed accross the screen then everyone cheering for FoW!

Jul 06, 2005, 01:33 AM // 01:33	#58
Itbegins Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: A Van Down by the River Guild: Best Rapper Ever[DMX] Profession: Mo/E	the guild thief under ground is not an exploit it is a bug ......just like how the mage henchmen used to run off after respawn so does the guild thief but she runs through walls undeground in the air all sorts of stuff ive seen.